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There was a few days there where they overbuffed Lightsmith and weapons were doing crazy damage hahaha

Hahaha that's alright, sometimes it's okay to be a passenger princess :P

Thank you, glad you found it useful!

Yeah there's definitely a lot of value in additional interrupts this season, so if prot paladin gets their issues fixed they'll be in a nice spot for sure!

Yeah I think it's a great choice, personally I really have been enjoying deathbringer and the giant exterminate scythes!

I was expecting to get one in TWW honestly, one for Midnight is an absolute must though

Definitely way more doable now than the previous iteration hahaha

No problem at all!

@@Tactyks Blood dk looks like it’ll dethrone vdh. Have to play the best tank when you put or you don’t get invited lol. Meta crazies lol.

Or what name plate add on are you using?

I use the Plater addon, here is the specific profile: wago.io/NaAT_LAIh

No problem at all! Definitely is a learning curve swapping to a new spec initially, but I don't think BDK is too much more complicated than bear, so I'm sure you'll do great!

I actually havent done any delve testing yet, I know what I'll be doing next though haha

@@Tactyks Haha Nice 😋🥰

Unfortunately my knowledge on healers is no where near tanks, so I don't think I'd be able to do an accurate video.

Without having extra targets to hit their ST is the lowest among all tanks currently, plus they don't have super powerful raid utility. It's not like they're bad, but outside of monk buff I don't see a reason to bring them.

@Tactyks I'd argue they have more utility than 2-3 tanks. They also can cheese mechs if played well, simultaneously, dish out decent damage. While MWs may be the "go to" for Monks, Brews are definitely not a last place tank. This is, of course, assuming that dps doesn't sway us on tank selections. Which tbf, you've stated that before.

If the healing is to others I'd agree, but when it comes to healing yourself specifically I don't think tanks should be reliant on healers. You can give healers something to do without making tanks feel weak imo, and no one wants to play a spec that feels weak.

@Tactyks A tanks job is to grab and hold aggro, not to heal themselves so much that there is no need for healers.

@@neener461 Hard disagree, and like I said tanks being able to heal themselves doesnt mean there's no need for healers, you can give them something to do without making tanks weak. If you look at all the "no healer" keys being done, NONE of them are because the tank can self-sustain. They're all because DPS Players can self-sustain, thanks to having too many defensive options, powerful off-healing, and generally not a lot of unavoidable group damage in certain dungeons.

My sources say next week we get changes on beta, surely!

No problem! I hope the AP scaling is something on their radar, especially because they had to do similar fixes back in DF beta.

Yup, been a big complaint of mine and others since we first saw the tree in Dragonflight beta and it's still a thing for some reason :(

In raids in particular they do quite a bit of offhealing yeah, its not their main job but is really helpful on mythic progression specifically.

@@Tactyks I’m leveling my prot paladin right now so I’m mainly doing dungeons. Thanks for the raiding tip!

Specifically for raid yeah, in a pure ST environment they have pretty bad damage compared to other tanks and don't bring any special utility to raid.

As a tank the best racials by far are dwarf/dark iron to cleanse debuffs off yourself, outside of that none of the racials are super impactful so you can kind of play whatever you prefer.

@@Tactyks and is Dark Iron Dwarf just a straight upgrade from regular Dwarf in terms of their racial ability? Or does Dwarf cleanse some things that Dark Iron doesn’t?

@@mjohn3126 Dwarves have a passive increase to crit damage, whereas Dark Iron gets primary stat when they cleanse a debuff, so that's the main difference. Usually most people prefer dwarf for that but the difference is extremely minor

@@Tactyks well thank you for all this information! It helped me narrow down my choices!

@@mjohn3126 No problem at all!

I'm actually not entirely sure as I haven't done any testing on Delves, maybe something for me to look into on beta!

Yeah it's super disappointing, I believe Guardian has the least changes of any spec currently going into the expansion which kind of sucks. It's not like it needed a ton, but to get nothing but ANOTHER general tree rework that doesn't address the problems of the tree feels kinda bad.

Nah, no healer keys don't really have anything to do with tank sustain and are more a combination of strong off-healing CDs (like vampiric embrace/nature's vigil), DPS specs having too many defensives, and specific keys having little to no unavoidable damage. The current issue is specifically with a certain type of healing that not all tanks even use (BDK for example is unaffected) and is likely just an oversight, similar to what happened back in DF beta when they buffed health pools.

Got it, thanks!

The overall output is definitely really high, I'm just worried that their main issue in high keys (dying to regular melee swings) hasn't really been addressed with the talent rework and could still potentially crop up at the highest level of M+. That being said if you're not someone looking to push super high and instead just do weekly keys for vault I think they are an extremely powerful choice!

@@Tactyks when you say output, you mean damage or healing?

@@davidmacedo2777 damage and durability, in keys up to a +10 at least they feel quite sturdy and pump out dps but it's hard to say if they'll continue to stay sturdy once you start pushing past that +12 threshold.

@@Tactyks I see, tysm

Oh yeah, it absolutely blasts in raid at the moment!

Of course, always glad to hear people enjoy the content!

I'm still sad evoker's 3rd spec wasn't a black dragonflight tank. I'm just gonna cope we get a 4th shaman tank spec now I think :P

That's definitely what happened in DF thanks to repeated nerfs throughout season 1, but I don't think it's a general pattern, at least looking back at SL/BfA. Hopefully the spec doesn't get over-nerfed like it was in DF!

Hahaha thanks friend, figured it was time to look somewhat presentable :P

Looking like a good first season for sure!

Yeah I'm always a bit skeptical about the state of BDK in high keys, they're always super tanky until they aren't. They don't have the DRW uptime they had back in SL S3/S4 and haven't gained any other tools to help with their weakness to melee swings, so while they are looking good on the relatively low level beta keys people are doing, I am concerned it won't translate to 0.1% title keys and higher. That being said it's exceptionally strong outside of that so if you aren't pushing super hard it'll be a great pick.

VDH is definitely less fun than it is now imo (due to loss of tier/haste values, not just sigil stuff), but I think what is really helping them over some of the other tank specs is the value their hero trees give them. That being said, as I mentioned near the end of the video I can see some small changes launching both BDK/Ppal ahead of them in keys, but currently I think if you look at their damage output with chaos brand and their general durability they aren't in a terrible spot, even if its worse than it is currently in DF.

@@Tactyks sadly tanks and healers are work the same you play meta or you left behind no matter what no invites sadly thr community only follows the meta or have 4 other friends to play with.

Clickbaiting content creators...unbelieveable!

Yeah, the 4s grace period from Sanctuary is nice but I still totally get the frustration! It's definitely a good time to try another tank as a lot of them are looking great.

Yeah as long as I can remember that hasn't been the case, so it would be nice to see them on top!

Yeah if Shado-Pan got adjusted to be a significant source of ST damage brew would be in a really good spot!

Surely our changes are in the next beta build :)

Why though? They seem tanky, bring motw and a bres. Just curious why doa?

Oh yeah, brew went from a tank I wasn't really a fan of in DF to something I'm really excited to play in TWW which is great to see!

I hope so, I'm a bit worried because the mana cost was added in DF to combat the strength of Ppal off-healing at the time, so not sure if they'll be willing to roll it back.

​@Tactyks they can always just put a mana reduction on the procs themselves. Iirc the issue was SotR uptime was so high (or it didn't matter that much if you dropped it) that you could get away with spending MOST of your HP on WoGs. I feel like there's a world they can "punish" overspending while still not impacting playing as "intended".

@@amethonys2798 Yeah I think if they put a 50% mana reduction on the Shining Light procs specifically it would be enough, you would still eventually run into problems but that pushes it back to the 6+ minute mark. I wouldn't be made with a 100% reduction on the procs though just to never have the issue ever hahaha

I can see it!

They've lost their double sigils AND the tier set that made sigils refresh faster going into WW. Trust me, they aren't going to be meta. It's going to either be Warrior/Brew/DK depending on tuning.

@@Byhythloh What are you talking about? LOL. First of all, no one is using that shitty talent that gives double sigil. Even in live, almost 99% of those pushing high keys and rank one are using Down in Flames because, with that talent, you are basically immortal when you fight tank busters. And just like most of the player base is thinking like you, "Oh shit, they nerfed DH sigil, it's GG." Keep thinking that, LOL.

My understanding of delves is that the gear is capped at Tier 8, and beyond that you only progress for cosmetics similar to the mage tower. There's also a "secret" delve at the end which you have to unlock that is just a single boss encounter which I'm looking forward to!

100%, assuming those issues get fixed I think they'll be in a really good spot!

Appreciate the support friend!

One doesn’t need to exclude the other. Based on the tanks role they should be relatively self sufficient. Healers role should be to pop in and save the tank in emergencies, but largely focus on keeping the DPS alive. Especially given the next rotation of dungeons. DPS will need a lot of healing from the healer. You aren’t out of a job if tanks are self sufficient and if they aren’t you’ll go from having a healer problem to no one wanting to tank.

@@johnmcgahey16 No. Absolutely wrong. Healers role shouldn’t be to “pop in” every now and then when the tank, or DPS, isn’t able to self heal thru the damage coming. Stuff like this is why the healer role is in ruins.

To tack on to what John said, tanks already are a low representation role, making them feel weak and reliant on a healer isn't a way to increase that. NO ONE wants to play a game and feel like their character is weak. You can give healers something to do without kneecapping tanks.

@@xSadalx you misunderstood what I was saying. “Pop in” is in reference to tanks only. I am in agreement largely with your views on the healer role. I think the game has too much defensive bloat for DPS and therefore the healer is becoming less and less important. With that being said, based on what the tank has to do and the pulls you need to time keys, I do not believe it would be fun or feasible for healers to keep the tank alive with the insane dmg coming at them while also keeping DPS up. Again, self sufficient tanks and healers healing aren’t mutually exclusive in my opinion to make a healthy game.

@@Tactyks Healers are the LOWEST representation.